Many of us have been in pain about events in the Middle East for years, a pain that was horribly amplified by the massacre of Jews on October 7^th, 2023, and the horrific and disproportional retribution that followed in Gaza by Israelis. Today's guest is Sandy Green, a Jewish Quaker, formerly a Zionist, who found she could not un-see the evils perpetrated by Israel on Palestinians, not just recently, but for decades. Late in her long life, Sandy has become a visible activist, facing painful consequences, but remaining steadfast to a fuller and wider love.

Steve Chase has a long history of doing, teaching, and writing about activism, starting from the age of 13, when he first stood against war.